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Anybody have any thoughts on their uniform. I just started looking for info as part of my 11th Corps at Gettysburg project. I wonder if the entire regiment wore zouave uniforms, or just A company?

Pfft.. I dont care about history Im going to put a bunch of zouave units in the army of the Cumberland because I just want to see them out there on the field. Ill make some rebel zouave units too just for fun. getting tired of all blue and grey/browns in the game.

114th Pennsylvania Colliss Zouaves turbans? mostly fez, red fez, yellow Tassel, dark blue jacket with sky blue cuffs, Red trim, lt blue sash, and red pants

that being said .whatever works for you and your regular opponents?

I have trouble believing that they maintained their zoave uniform while the rest of the IRish had their distinctive regimental uniform.

Not to be that guy, but as r as Zouaves from Maryland:

Bandit thank you very much for taking the time to post all the above. Very much appreciated.

But then again, the whole zoave thing was ridiculous, anyway.

The 1st Louisiana Inntry appears to have had at least several companies in Zouave uniforms as late as June 25, 1862.

76th PA zouaves, Army of the James, 10th and 18th Corps, et al., fought at Battery Wagner, Cold Harbor, Petersburg, and Fort Fisher.

62nd Pennsylvania (Chasseurs) Baggy M1860 French Chasseur Trousers (not pantaloons) of the same color as the jacket

My understanding is that the zouave uniforms didnt last too long for the two companies, but I dont have a date for when they switched over. An educated guess would be mid-late 1863.

-th Pennsylvania /id2.html,Red Fez with a blue tassel sometimes turban, French Army Blue Zouave Jacket, with yellow trim, and yellow tombeaus, A red wool flannel sash, Baggy M1860 French Chasseur Trousers (not pantaloons) of the same color as the jacket

I havent had a chance to look at it it closely yet.

side it fought for (for a couple states it isnt obvious)

why bother gaming an historical period if you pick and choose which cts suit you and discarding those that dont?

Pfft yeah, screw history and all that boring stuff

Id be interested in seeing that issue of the Zouave magazine too if anyone has a copy.

Title says it, Im looking for a list of what regiments, on either side, wore Zouave uniforms, at any point in the war.

Anyone know anything about Zouaves in the Union I Corps at Gettysburg other than the 14th Brooklyn (Chasseurs, 84th NY, Cutlers 2nd Brigade, Wadsworths 1st Division)?

83rd Pennsylvania chasseurs, Baggy M1860 French Chasseur Trousers (not pantaloons) of the same color as the jacket

140th New York fez, Red Fez Red Tassel, Dark blue jacket, dark red trim, med Blue Sash, Dark Blue pants

For the most part (apart from the 1st Maryland Line) the confederates were raised by company with odd companies being in zouave dress.

(2) I agree that few of us wargamers have access to such a vast array of troops as would be necessary to refight all the actions of the civil war who hasnt had to use stand in units? my issue is the I want that unit and I dont care if it wasnt really there attitude?

SeattleGamer no problem, I am trying to compile these pieces anyway, posting it to share just seemed obvious.

I dont know how long the zouave uniforms lasted. I think 2nd Dupeires lasted the whole time they were inntry, but they were never stronger than 2 companies.

The 41st New York De Kalb Regiment were not zouaves but were an unusual regiment. They wore a dark green cap and frock coat with red trim as traditonal German riflemen. Pants were gray with a red stripe. There is a picture in Troianis Regiments and Uniforms book.

1) 100% accuracy is a myth. Except for recent periods we have a limited ability to know what troops actually wore into combat for specific actions.

Wheats Tigers were barely a battalion. And that uniform was gone by mid 62.

Wheats Tigers 1st Special LA Battalion link

91st Pennsylvania fez red fez, Dark Blue jacket, yellow trim, sky blue pants

Who were McCelleans zuoves in the confederacy? Ive tried google searches but havent been able to find anything about them. My curiosity was piqued by their placement on the Perry miniatures box and the opportunity to add some red kepis into my confederate battle line!

For some, it worked. Some of the zouave regiments were pretty good. Most were average, just like any other regiment. That doesnt make it ridiculous.

(1) I dont believe I advocated 100% accuracy sorry

Company K of the 69th New York was a company of Zouaves recruited and commanded by Thomas Meagher. There is a painting done by Don Troianis that shows there uniform.

Pfft.. I dont care about history Im going to put a bunch of zouave units in the army of the Cumberland because I just want to see them out there on the field. Ill make some rebel zouave units too just for fun. getting tired of all blue and grey/browns in the game.

There was only 1 company in Wheats command that wore the

If you have suggestions for some non-Zouave units that are particularly fun as well, feel free to toss em out there!

Did any of the western theater federal zouaves wear fez or turbans? Or did they all wear kepi?

None of the other regiments in Wadsworths div. nor the rest of the 1st Corps wore Zouave or Chasseur uniforms (apart from 14th Brooklyn obviously).

44th New York kpi, Blue Kepi/Forage Dark blue Jacket Red Trim Dark Blue Pants

List of regiments that wore Zouave uniforms Topic

(3) Im all for having fun, I dont see where I suggested otherwise???

74th New York fez, Red Fez Blue Tassel Dark Blue Jacket yellow trim light Blue Sash, Red pants

72nd Pennsylvania Baxters Fire Zouaves kepi chasseurs

Yeah, because the whole pride, camaraderie, and especially, esprit de corps are entirely useless.

other regimental nicknames or alternative IDs

11th New York Ellsworths Fire Zouaves

2) Very few of us have the resources to field armies where each unit is accurately represented, so quite often we have one unit standing in for another.

Also note..MOST of these ncy zouave regts. uniforms didnt survive past 1863. Post 1863 units include: 140th,146th NY,165th NY,91st and -th PA,just to name a few.

I had to smile reading the link that showed the 1st Bn as: Surrendered by General Robert E. Lee, commanding the Army of Northern Virginia, on April 9, 1861. Im guessing that surrender was refused as being premature?

23rd Pennsylvania Birneys zouaves kepi

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95th Pennsylvania Goslines Zouaves kpi

Maryland had a pre-war volunteer Zouave militia unit, the Maryland Guard Battalion. It did not go to war. There was a planned Maryalnd Zouve regiment, but in never fully organized beyond two companies. They eventually joined the 47th Virginia as Co. H, were transfered to the 2nd Arkansas, and subsequently mustered out in summer of 1862.

Pfft yeah, screw history and all that boring stuff

84th New York 14th Brooklyn Zouaves (actually Chasseurs) red kepis with a blue interior of the crown and a red circle on top of the blue (to indicate 1st Division, 1st Corps)

11th Indiana (gray and red, later Chasseurs) Wallaces Zouaves Their uniform consisted of a grey jacket with red trimming, a red kepi, a dark blue zouave vest, and grey pantaloons. Later in the war they received a new uniform which consisted of a black zouave jacket with skyblue trimming, a red kepi with a dark blue band around it, and sky blue pantaloons

Coppens Zouaves 1861 to 1863 uniform Red fez with medium blue tassel, dark blue jacket with yellow trefoils and wings on back and trim around coat and points on sleeve. (not solid points but stripes). Pantaloons were red. although there is still a question as to a blue stripe running the leg. Gaiters were white with the Jambiares of a medium color brown. These started out as a light brown but oil and wear made them a medium brown. All accouterments were black. Packs were not issued to the battalions so pickups would the call for the day

165th New York Duryees 2nd Zouaves (uniformed like 5th NY but blue /zouave.html

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Volume IV issue 3 of The Zouave from Autumn 1990 has an excellent article listing all known Union Zouave units along with details of their uniforms including jackets, trim, vest/shirts, trousers, sash, and leggings. It also gives period of service and other basic details. The list even goes so r to list individual companies within regiments that wore Zouave uniforms. The list is rather detailed and includes 76 Union units.

Cleburne1863: Yes, most of the links dont work, but at least the list itself gives a starting point.

A follow up note on my previous posting: These specialty uniforms did not survive the 7 Days Battles, for the most part. The Brigade was forced to take at least 3 issues of new uniforms as they retreated across to the James, according to letters from soldiers in the brigade. Each time they came to a supply depot during the march they were told to take new uniforms and made to burn the old. I believe this may be true for most of the troops involved. In none of the letters did a soldier complain about getting a new uniform so quickly.

I dont know if you would find this of any interest or not but I believe a company of the Sixty Ninth New York Militia wore a zouave uniform at the first battle 0f Bull Run. To the best of my knowledge it was not worn after that. Troiani has done a nice print of them. In that print they are pictued wearing a kepi covered with a white havelock, (sic?),. Also I believe a book was published some years ago titled The First and The Bravest or something like that, which concerned Zouave Regiments and their service.

Thats a great site but it is not 100% accurate plus without additional information it is misleading. It doesnt say when they got their Zouave uniform or when they lost it if they did. To top it off, some of those listed did NOT have a Zouave uniform but a Chasseur uniform. One easy example was the 44th NY which had a Chasseur uniform even though they called themselves Zouaves.

The identification of these Zouave as coming from Georgia is questionable. However, Wrights Brigade also included the 1st Louisiana Inntry. In volume II of Frederick ToddsAmerican Military Equipage(1983) the 1st Louisiana is described as including four companies drawn from the Orleans Light Guards Battalion which was initially issued with Zouave clothing. It would seem that as least some members of the regiment were still so uniformed.

The more info the more useful, so if I may go so r to request:

Why? Because I have about a division for each side at 1:20 and no Zouaves since I cast aside the several Minifig regiments I had (primarily paint OG15s) if anyone wants something like 50-75 Minifigs drop me a note. But it seems as I look at expanding this to a corps per side, I should also look at a couple uniquely uniformed regiments just for the fun ctor.

Sadly, almost all the pages on that link are page not found

41st New York, AKA De Kalbs Zouaves????

Right you are Ducel1. 1st Special Battalion, Louisiana Volunteers, Company B, Wheats Tiger Rifles. But, the battalion did have four other companies. TIG

146th New York all turbans? A red wool flannel sash

146th New York fez, red fezzes with yellow tassels; possibly a few men sported white turbans on the fezzes. Officers probably had a mixture of red or dark blue kepis, 2nd opinion: Red Fez Red Tassel, Dark blue jacket, dark red trim, med Blue Sash, Dark Blue pants, 3rd opinion: sky-blue jackets and chasseur pants with yellow trim

Theres an Osprey that lists the Union ones. For the most part (apart from the 1st Maryland Line) the confederates were raised by company with odd companies being in zouave dress. And not to forget the Louisiana Tigers.

There are a few threads here on TMP about that. I think about two years ago. We did a pretty complete list. Do a search for Zouaves and look on the ACW Discussion board. I posted a lot to the thread.

The 165th New York was in full Zouave uniform at Port Hudson. Otherwise in the west, no real full Zouave uniforms. At most you would get a ncy jacket like the 33rd New Jersey.

3) Like it or not, the vast majority of us wargamers are having fun playing with model soldiers.

jpipes, would it be possible to obtain a copy of this issues of Zouave? It sounds like the perfect reference. Thanks.

Interesting note on the original uniform of the 69th PVI; The description of the uniform is a blue jacket piped in green. As the State issued uniform was a blue round about piped in light blue (inntry) I have always assumed this to be the cut for the jacket for the 69th. However, I have never been able to locate an identified photo of a member of the regiment wearing such a jacket. I have found a photo (only one) of a member of the regiment taken in 61, wearing a mounted jacket. Was this jacket a photographers prop? Or, did Baker secure surplus Mounted Rifle jackets for the regiment out of QM stores? Baker had been given authorization by Lincoln to take priority over materials in the QM stores to equip and uniform his brigade as quickly as possible (this resulted in the California Regiment71st PVI] receiving militia heavy artillery uniforms).

When the Philadelphia Brigade was being readied for muster into Federal service, the 69th PVI was only up to 8 companies. To fill out the regiment, two independent companies of Zouaves were assigned to the regiment. These companies became known as the American Companies (the 69th PVI being an Irish Regiment) or Bakers Guard (they severed as Brigade HQ guard while Baker commanded the Brigade). In the Spring of 62 they received a re-issue of the Zouave uniform (made by J. Reed in Philadelphia). After Bakers death at Balls Bluff the companies were taken back into the 69th and reverted to the regulation issue uniform. The Zouave uniform for these two companies was the same as that of the 72nd PVI, with the exception of the trim being in green.

On pages 184-185 of Stephen Sears,To the Gates of Richmond(1992) it states Grovers Brigade encountered a series of sudden, sharp counterattacks by Ambrose Rans Wrights Brigade of Hugers Division. One of these charges, by a Georgia regiment, momentarily confused the Yankees into thinking that they were being attacked by their own men. The Georgians were wearing gaudy red Zouave uniforms, in imitation of the mous French colonial troops, and it was thought that only the Army of the Potomac had any Zouaves in their ranks. Then someone pointed out that only the enemy would be coming at them from the direction of Richmond, and the Federals quickly opened fire on the Zouaves.

Pfft.. I dont care about history Im going to put a bunch of zouave units in the army of the Cumberland because I just want to see them out there on the field. Ill make some rebel zouave units too just for fun. getting tired of all blue and grey/browns in the game.

Wasnt there another LA zouave battalion besides the Tigers, who wore the tradition blue jacket and red trousers?

couldnt agree more, why bother gaming an historical period if you pick and choose which cts suit you and discarding those that dont?

-th Pennsylvania fez red Fez, Dark Blue jacket, yellow Trim, red edge sash with yellow trim? Dark Blue pants with red trim, NCO Chevrons were yellow with a red backing, USMC style

headgear type? (turban, cap, kepi, etc)

5th New York Duryees Zouaves (yellow fez) mixed turban & fez,

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